Saturday, July 11, 2009

p.s. Hey. Today the extraordinary writer and distinguished local Alan revises certain preconceived notions about a certain major writer, and, thanks both to his kindness and to his God given insight, this very blog and you who frequent here get the scoop. Have a learned weekend, and thank you in advance for your examinations and as well as for any thoughtful responses you dare to share with our guest host, with yourselves, and with me via the usual two comments arenas. Above all, thank you, Alan. Let's see ... oh, it's time for me to get slightly more urgent in my requests bordering on pleas to you re: creating and sending in your SPD contributions between now and the Monday night deadline. So buckle down, if you don't mind. What else? Originally, I was supposed to be traveling to Avignon today to check out the Festival d' and help Gisele pick out the right theater for the premiere of our new work there next summer, but the Festival d' won't pay for my train ticket and lodging costs, and I'm too broke to cover them, so I'm sticking around Paris instead. Apart from working on my novel, what I'll do for the next two days is anyone's guess. Owing to a weird mood, I cajoled Kiddiepunk into going to see 'Transformers 2' with me last night, and acknowledging that it's pretty much complete garbage and at least an hour too long, I strangely found the experience to be kind of a blast. But I'm a part time tech junkie, and the tech was dominating and quite good. Yeah, I think that's all there is to say. ** Roger p, Hey, man. Yeah, that thing yesterday was connected to the cannibal novel in some strange way. It was me thinking through an idea. I don't know why working things out visually via imagery, and sometimes in combination with text, helps solve dilemmas I'm facing in my writing, but I've always done that. Can you remind me what your thesis is about? I know you've told me, but I'm blanking out this morning. I'm glad the framework work is interesting you, and of course your presence is always missed when you're not present, but it's all good, and you're always on the radar in some way. Lots of love to you from here. ** Stan_cz, Well, yeah, relatively speaking, and speaking from my experience, LA drivers are the most considerate and mellow as a general rule. I've always figured it was because the great majority of us Angelenos are driving all the time so there's a resultant kind of 'we're all in the same boat' feeling that creates more driver to driver empathy perhaps. Or maybe it's because of LA's vaunted negative ions. Or both reasons. Or something else. Interesting that your passion has gravitated from films to books. Sounds good to me. My novel progresses in an okay fashion. I'm quite stuck as far as knowing how to move the thing forward at the moment, so I'm revising what's already there instead, and that goes well. ** Oscar B, Thanks, pal. And thanks for reminding me of the foundation's name. I'll prep myself for the schmooze. The Recollets is basically shut down on holiday until Bastille Day happens on Tuesday, but I'll watch for the reappearance of a light in the office window. Have a divine weekend. ** _Black_Acrylic, Oh, that's very interesting about the big connection between Leeds and goth. I'm going to do some google investigating about that and see what happens. Might be something that could end up here on the blog in some form or other. Were you ever particularly into goth as a result of growing up there? It felt nice to have my book in the middle of that Gaitskill/Bronte sandwich, I don't mind telling you. Thanks, and have an excellent weekend. ** Orestes, Thank you for the props on my towers. I hope Saint-Amant sees your compliment, and I certainly agree with you. ** Tonyoneill, I've seen, I think, three of the Guinea Pig movies. I agree the first one is the best. Yeah, I like them, although I think I was overly lead to believe they were ultra-shocking before I saw them, and while they're pretty out there, I wasn't as shocked as people said I'd be. I didn't expect them to be so artsy, although, ultimately, their artsiness is kind of what I like best about them. So, what now re: 'Sick City'? Does it go to Michael now, or has he already seen it? Man, that's exciting! I'm all over the place with titles. Sometimes they come fast and precede the writing, and sometimes it takes me forever to figure them out. I've gone through about seven possibilities with the cannibal novel already, so that one is going to be tough. ** David Ehrenstein, I haven't heard of 'Humpday', but I'll heed your warning. I saw Keanu across a party about a year ago, and he looked great and youthful. He and Johnny Depp both have that whole Brad Gooch syndrome thing going on. Thanks much for passing along the hello from Bret Ellis. I assume he seemed to be doing well? Love that guy. ** Alan, Thanks a multi-ton for today, man. It's an amazing post. With the non-fiction collection, the mss. as it stands is quite long and pretty packed with pieces. I'm definitely unsure about the value of a number of them, but I'm not necessarily much of a judge of my non-fiction. I honestly don't think any of it is all that special, so I'm counting on my editor to make the final decision on what to keep or toss just so long as the decisions aren't based entirely on the fame of the topic in question, although, knowing my editor, I can't see that happening. I mean, I understand why, say, this relatively long and unusually forthcoming interview I did with Christian Bale years ago should be in there because his name is a draw and our friendship gave it a relaxed and revealing quality, but I'm more interested in the pieces I've written about, say, some visual artists whom the general public won't know from Adam. Hopefully, it'll be a mix or something. I don't know. I'm very curious to see how the mss. reads because it's really hard for me to tell. ** Derek McCormack, Oh, I'm sure you did, man, and now I think you're in San Francisco where the boat will also be heavily and gracefully rocked. ** Mark, Oh, gosh I love really those movie consolidation pieces! You should do something ambitious with them like, oh, show print outs in a gallery or something whereby lots of people can be exposed to them. Let me alert people who didn't seen them yet. Everyone, high alert. You should see some things made by multi-faceted artist and d.l. Mark. In his words, ' ... here’s something I’ve been doing lately. Or rather, I’ve been letting the computer do it, since all I do is pick out the movie and then let ‘er rip. What happens is that a movie file is reduced to a single still image, with each frame of the movie becoming a single-color pixel in the image. The reading is from left-right, top-bottom. I’m still not sure if this line of work, which I’ve taken to calling Spoiler Alert, has any aesthetic value or revelatory import, but it might be amusing -- or horrifying -- to see one’s favorite films so extravagantly reduced. Links: 2001, A Clockwork Orange, Ace in the Hole, Band of Outsiders, In the Folds of Flesh (horror), North by Northwest (cornfield sequence only), Pierrot le Fou, Psycho (shower sequence only), Porno 1.' Really, really interesting and gorgeous work, Mark! ** Dan, Yeah, but your mom is either the coolest mom ever or the Antichrist or something clearly, ha ha. ** Paul Curran, Thanks, man. Yeah, exactly. Also, for me, it was about cuteness, or maybe about the level or layer at which cuteness functioned and operated and how it handled both internal and external stress in each of the towers, and especially in the combination of towers if that makes any sense. ** SYpHA_69, Yeah, I think the appeal of all that ritual and those religious overtones in art naturally depend on the amount of religion in one's upbringing, and I guess probably also on which religion you were raised with. I wish I could find that stuff appealing, but it's just heavy and kind of ridiculous to me, with exceptions of course. Yeah, I think your spin, as you describe it -- although I think your talent has a lot more to it than merely spinning the pre-existent -- is as legitimate and noble and admirable as anything else. Your talent is a highly unique one, and that's what matters, and individuality is what distinguishes valuable work from everyday work, at least in my book. ** Frank Jaffe, Oh, I saw your email this morning. I haven't opened it and watched the clip yet. Thank you so much! The only sequence from 'EtV' that they show on TV here is that long aerial panning shot one, which is gorgeous, of course, but not very revealing. 'EtV' is supposed to open here in August, but I haven't seen any warning signs of its release yet. The huge 'I Stand Alone' poster of yours makes my mouth water. Yeah, if you can snap a pic when you get back to school, I'd love to see it. I linked over to the 'Wrecked' thing, and it does look interesting, and I'm of curious to hear your thoughts. I want to see that Valentino documentary. My boyfriend is a big fashionista, and his like-minded friends have been raving about it. I also look for those French films, neither of which I've seen. Big thanks all around. ** Pascal, When I was really young and early on in writing about the stuff I write about, I used to get unnerved, but part of my long preparation for writing the Cycle novels was defining precisely where my fantasy life ended and my real life began, and ever since I started writing in a serious way, I never get scared by my imagination or by putting it into words. Things in the real world scare me a lot, but the act of processing and translating them is more like the opposite of scary, I guess. Well, Jonathan does get freaked out sometimes when he performs 'Jerk', yeah. He's an amazing performer who can let himself go to intense and very emotional places, but the material that 'Jerk' works with is not a natural interest or fantasy of his at all, so allowing himself to be possessed by the character David Brooks does shake him up. Luckily for us, he likes being freaked out. ** Bernard Welt, Oh, that fee isn't so bad at all, I don't think. I mean, I guess if you were trying to hook Matthew Barney or someone huge like that, it might hinder things. Well, I'm very glad to hear you won't be saddled with editing that Corcoran book, naturally. Thanks for the cell number. I'll use it, trust me, and probably fairly soon, and you're going to be able to really help me out, trust me again. ** Empty Frame, Very interesting Nilsen related anecdotes. Someone just told me the other day that there's currently a court case going on to decide whether Nilsen can publish his autobiography or not. I sure hope so. That Brian Masters book on him is the best 'true crime' book ever, in my opinion, and I've read far more such books than was probably healthy for me. I don't know 'Happy Like Murderers', but I'll check into it straight away. It sounds like a must. I like Ron Athey as a person, and I'm totally supportive of what he does, but the whole Catholic/ritualistic/ tribal/modern primitive stuff he works with doesn't interest me at all. He recently directed a play called 'Daddy' by Travis Jeppesen, a young writer I like a lot and whose novel 'Victims' was the first book in my Little House on the Bowery series, in Berlin, and I'm very curious to know what that was like. I only know Franko B's dj work and visual art, but I haven't seen the performance stuff. He's a sweetheart of a guy. Stelarc's work doesn't interest me very much. Again, his tribal thing just isn't mine. On the body art front, I most liked the work of my late friend Bob 'Supermasochist' Flanagan. His approach and his notion of the theatrical is much more up my alley. I'll go watch that Burroughs-Acker conversation vid pronto. I didn't know that had ever happened, wow. That sounds incredible. Thanks a lot, man. ** Uli, I didn't know that story of Mobus escaping the US and all of that. Wow, that's fascinating. I had no idea. ** Math t, Hey. I'll send you those links this weekend. See what you think. That's funny about all California accents seeming comfortable and privileged. That's so interesting. It makes a weird sense that I can't quite explain to myself at the moment. Hunh. ** Pisycaca, The Pompidou, you, you, and me it is then. You should meet Kiddiepunk too while you're here, if you feel like it. We should also go to the Place Madeline and get us some of the astounding French pastries they sell in the those high end patisseries around there as a birthday present as well. ** JW Veldhoen, Cell phone shit, ugh. The towers will fall when they're hit hard enough, I guess. Care to try? ** Blendin, I don't think I've ever seen a no hitter in the flesh. Close, but no cigar. Those closest to that kind of high I've experienced was during the heyday of Eric Gagne, when he literally was God. The way he closed games for a couple of years, the genius with which he closed games combined with the heights of awe and poetry he would inspire to emit from the mouth of the godlike Vin Scully, was literally crystal meth. ** Jose, Resident Evil 4 is awesomeness incarnate. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. looks pretty interesting and kind of R.E.-like. Great sound. What exactly is happening when they flash those zombie close-up shots? Does that mean there's a zombie attacking you from behind? I'll check my mailbox. Thanks a lot for sending it to me, man. Been craving the experience of that novel for a long time now. ** Steevee, Yeah, it's really unfortunate how everything is moving onto the internet, and with quite exciting results if you're merely a reader and viewer, but the writers whose living depends on being compensated for writing about, oh, film or whatever else are getting so hurt. I can only imagine that once the collapse and shift has stabilized a bit more, the paying writers part will return too, but who knows how long that will take? All of my friends who write criticism for a living are feeling like you do and worrying like you are, which isn't much of any kind of comfort except maybe with the little plus that at least the problems aren't something you need to take personally. Yeah, sorry and I hope those editors get back to you right away, man. ** The Dreadful Flying Glove, Your reaction to guro must be the correct or best one. I'm immune, for better or worse. Guro's all about studying the aesthetics involved for me. My mind takes those drawings apart like toys. Convoy means helping your friend move things? That's my best guess. When I hear 'convoy', I think country music. Strange. You have a good weekend too. ** Misanthrope, I'm this close to doing a Let's All Chip In to Buy Misanthrope An Hour or Two With Jesse Starr Day. Reviews of my books? Uh, I get in weird moods on rare occasions when I search them out, I guess. Mostly I let the powers that be find them and tell me about them or pass them on or something. The 'Ugly Man' ones I've been lead to have been okay. A couple of slash and burn ones, but they were kind of dumb and predictable. It would be cool to get a really intelligent and unimpeachable extremely bad review. I wonder if I would see the err of my ways and quit writing. That would be refreshing. ** Flit, Hi, Flit! ** Creative Massacre, Hey, pal. Oh, I'm really glad you liked 'Ugly Man'. Thanks a lot! I'm okay, busy working and enjoying the not very hot summer we're having over here so far. I'll be very interested to hear about the shooting of 'The Willows' if you feel passing any experiences or anecdotes along. That should be pretty fun, right? Awesome. ** Inthemostpeculiarway, Dude, you so know your stuff, i.e. that paragraph about snuff in fiction. I'm always kind of in awe when you spill your knowledge. A friend of mine is reading 'Survivor' right now. I think the report has been positive. I forget where the term guro derives from. I knew at one point. I remember it that wasn't the obvious explanation. Hm. There've been boys in my sad boy picture posts with cum on their faces before, but maybe not as many, and maybe the lighting was better in the ones I chose yesterday. On King, I think he has terrific ideas. I think he's even kind of a weird genius on that level. I just can't take his writing. It's too loosey goose for me. I'm a prose nazi for better or worse. Your day sounds to have been pretty good, pretty full of interesting occurrences. Mine was ... hm, writing the novel, cigarettes, food, trip to the food market, emails, starting to build the SPD Day with the contributions I've received so far, saw 'Transformers 2' like I said and kind of enjoyed it against my better judgement like I said, finished reading that book 'Light Boxes' -- oh, it's about ... actually, I'm doing something on the blog about it in a little over week, so best to wait for that -- walked around, uh ... not a very eventful day. But now I have two days to do something fun to tell you about. In the meantime, I pass the mic back to you. ** NB, Hey. Research? Depends on the novel. For this one, mostly research on the culinary arts and cannibalism and a bit about chateaux. That Dropbox thing looks like just what the doctor ordered. I'll try it. So Christopher's a fast mover and boyfriend at the drop of a hat type, eh? Oh, you couldn't bore me about this stuff. Keep talking whenever. Me like Russians? What are you implying, sir? There must have been, oh, three non-Russians at the very least in that pile yesterday, I'm almost sure. Of course those three were Ukrainian, but still. ** Heliotrope, Buddy! You ever seen a no-hitter? I think I would remember if I did. I figured you would be all about the Tour de France by now. So do you think old what's-his-name ... oh shit, you know, the Republican cancer survivor and dope-accused guy, the big American dog, whatever his name is ... has a real shot? I hope not, but I know nothing. ** Alec Niedenthal, Hey, welcome. Gosh, your comment was so completely not off-putting. It was whatever the opposite of that would be. Compelling? That'll do. It's very nice to meet a fellow Blanchot lover. Yes, his work -- theory and fiction and everything else -- had a huge impact on me and my work. I've even been known to call Blanchot 'my man'. It's that serious. He shook me to the core and still does. How did he effect you and your work? Speaking of which, I love the pieces on your blog. Are they characteristic? They're very fine. What happened with NOON? Anyway, it's very nice to have you here, and you should hang out. I'd like that. ** Armando, Hey, man. Yeah, the novel I'm working on is the cannibalism one. I'm far from finished, but it's growing slowly. I really bad headache the other day, and so did Stan_cz, and now you do. Obviously, I feel for you. I hope it's dead and buried by now. Dumont: you mean Bruno Dumont, the French director? If so, yes, I do like his films. My favorite was his last one, Flandres', but I like his work quite a bit in general, and his heavy Bresson influence doesn't hurt, of course. He has a new film coming out any minute, actually, and I'm excited. It's called 'Hadewijch'. I don't know anything about it. Do you like his films? ** You-x, Yeah, Amy Gerstler and I are very close friends. We met during my one year in university, and we've been tight ever since. She's the fucking best. The Ryan Trecartin piece is in the book so far, yes. Hopefully, my editor won't cut it. No, nothing from the blog is going in there because I haven't written any non-fiction for the blog that was more than a paragraph or two in length, I don't think, unless I'm forgetting something. Great if you can see Derek read in Portland. You should talk to him, if so. He's joy in the shape of a human body, just like you are. That cheesecake sounds so luscious that I may have to go find a French equivalent today. Damn. You have the most incredible weekend humanly possible, okay? ** Right. This is really late going up, sorry. Anyway, I'm gone. Eat Alan's incredible post alive, please. When you're finished doing that, make the blog an SPD contribution. When you're through with that, you're entirely on your own. Aren't I a nice guy? See you guys back here on Monday.

79 comments:

roger p said...

thanks for your kind response dennis -i was going to write about my thesis on googletalk so only you could read about it but anyway, it deals with the state regulation of religious practice in a Buddhist community in southern China. i´ll send it to you when it´s finished so you won´t ask again, haha... anyway that should be around one year from now

some days ago i finally got to see The New World, for some reason (the artwork on the cover?) i had imagined that it´d be a kind of commercial compromise but thank god i was wrong: it is a fantastic movie, yeah -surely far behind Transformers 2 in terms of high-tech prowess but you cannot have everything in one movie, right? haha... these days i have also watched Querelle and Sweet Sweetback´s badasssss song, both quite interesting in different ways; strange i don´t recall hearing about Van Peeble´s film until this week -found about it through a mention in an article on representation by Stuart Hall

well what you say about the way the visual helps you thinking about your novels is very interesting -but how you do that? i mean, if you are facing some specific dilemma then you go through random images more or less closely related to the issue, or you look deliberately for unrelated images which can provoke an unexpected development...? i dont know if this is very clear, but i´d love to hear more about it if you feel like talking more

Alan, thanks a lot for this Day

have a great weekend everyone

DavidEhrenstein said...

Totally awesome Milton Day! I haven't read him (and then very badly) since High School, so I must get back. He sounds like a Righteous Dude.

Bret looked quite well.

Keanu and Johnny are kings of their respective iconographical imperatives. Keanu is Not of Thie Earth whereas Johnny is the Most Beautiful BoHo EVAH!

It would be wonderful, and challenging, to put them together in a film.

Chris said...

was taken to Waiting for Godot last night. Big revival with Nathan Lane and Bill Irwin. I thought I'd see it before, but most likely probably just read it in high school. Was fascinated that the person who took me was thoroughly perplexed by it, fell asleep etc...though he reported at intermission to have just loved 12th night, shakespeare in the park, just the other day. I always get lost in shakespeare's density. Anyway - Godot, lovely production, I think I am more fond of Happy Days as a play. Went on-line this morning to route around about the play. Love that Beckett tires of all the interpretations of the play and asks people just to be with the characters and let that be enough. Concurrently, as I read this biography of Bacon, he often responds similarly to people looking at his work. Are these disingenuous responses, don't think so. Though believe it's a really tough challenge to just experience a work without interpreting,anyway...sort of stuck in a Bitches Brew loop. Every once and I awhile this happens. As I prepare for this upcoming gig, I think it relates or not, who knows. The SPD thing: can it be pieces of music as well? Let me know.
Chris

Empty Frame said...

Hey - great post Alan! Will dig in more later...
Oh Dennis, sure, you need to check out " Happy Like Murderers", it just left me feeling bug-eyed and antsy and faintly sullied. But the writing is good, I think - do you know Gordon Burn's stuff? Guy from Newcastle, he wrote a really great novel called " Fullalove" once, check it out. I think the true-crime books are a - probably pretty lucrative - sideline: he also wrote a book about the Yorkshire Ripper called " Somebody's Husband, Somebody's Son", which was a lot better than the title suggests. lot of stuff about butchery and meat and so on - Peter Sutcliffe's dad was a butcher, so he grew up with a fairly loose conception of limbs and their possible configuration, or something.
Nilsen. Yeah, you're right, there is some kind of legal squabble re: Nilsen publishing his autobiog, which is always rumoured to be just completely amazing. I think the general gist is that the UK prison service does not allow inmates to profit from their work. I'm pretty sure Nilsen is totally happy to just publish and give all the cash away to charity or something, but still no go. Basically because it then becomes a political hot potato, and no Home Secretary with one eye on his popularity ratings is gonna risk incurring popular tabloid-driven wrath. So, I think it's all in Mexican stand-off territory, sadly. There's a writer from the UK who was knocking out fairly bad novels a while back, called P.P. Hartnett, and he was apparently in regular touch with Nilsen and was gonna collaborate or utilise the diaries in some way. But that could have been orchestrated hype, I can't vouch for that.
OK, I'm off to suck the marrow from life or somesuch. Hope you enjoyed the Burroughs/Acker thing. Oh, and I sent you some emails with my SPD choices, hope they got to you OK. I just ripped them off the top of my head, so they could be pretty stupid. But then I guess desire often is. Have a great weekend...

kier said...

wrote this at the end of the last post, just too late for you to see:
hey dennis, i'm a little late, but i wanted to say i loved this day, the concept and photos and it being something related to your novel. i'm looking forward to that novel from somewhere deep inside, i really am. i used to feel confused about the guro, but now i love it. lots of love to you and yury.

alan, i haven't read milton, though he's on the eternal list, but your day is wonderful and has brought me closer to him.

you-x, i hope your birthday was fantastic, kinda sounds like it.

kier said...

empty frame, i forgot to say, but i visited your blog and stayed there for a long time, wonderful place man. on dennis nilsen, you'd think they'd have more than good legal grounds to challenge any hindering of him releasing a book? ian brady released his which was a thinly veiled autobiography of sorts if i remember right, but that might have been post mortem.

DavidEhrenstein said...

Beckett's quite right. I've never found Waiting For Godot to e complex of "elusive" at all. Its cahrms are obvious.

DavidEhrenstein said...

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Empty Frame said...

Oh, fuck. Once you start thinking about objects of lust vis a vis SPD day, they just start coming hard and fast. I just remembered - contra like everyone else I know you fancied the Good and the Bad - that I really had this thing about the Ugly in the film of that name. It as something to do with be unloved and hated and hairy and sweating into a vest. Which makes Ugly sound like Freddie Mercury or something LOL , but it wasn't.
Oh - and the guy that played Jesus in Pasolini's Gosel According to St Mark. Deserts, headscarves, beards, intense eyes. Not to mention a nifty way with a miracle.
And - jeez, I don't know about this - but despite being gay how is it possible Madonna in the Justify My Love video rocked something weirdly linked to the primordial soup? Mmm.
Kier, many thanks for kind words, and virtual kisses are winging your way-wards. Rest assured I'm checking your stuff out incredibly soon, and was v. impressed with the Richard Hell drawings. So all is good.
Word verification: clutenti. Which sounds both Italian and sexual, no?

stan_cz said...

Hey Dennis,

glad to hear the novel's going okay. I'm sure another outburst of new material will come soon. But I know how important revision is to you.

I am currently in a strange habit of turning out at least one poem a day. Some time during the day or night, amid beers and smoke, the fuckers come to me and I write them down. I'm grateful to the ghosts.

I just finished Bukowski's "Women". Wonderful book. Full of passion, life, truth.

By the way, I recently got to read "Heart of Darkness" and am I the only one to find Conrad a tad overrated? It's an impressive and at times brilliant book all right, but there are patches, long ones even, that are quite dull in their florid descriptiveness. Also, only about half-way in does Conrad achieve a style and vision that flows naturally; prior to that his prose seems rather jerky. Anyone agree?

_Black_Acrylic said...

@ Empty Frame, 'Happy Like Murderers' gave me genuine nightmares about my family's cellar. It must have rattled me somehow, and I loved his Yorkshire Ripper book also. Have you read any of the David Peace books about life in the Ripper-era Leeds of the 1970s? They too are highly recommended.

@ Dennis, I was never a goth during my adolescence, mod was always my youth tribe of choice. Since moving away and going to art school I've discovered more of the music and associated literature however. I even started dying my hair black a couple of years ago so I'm kind of a late developer in that regard.

Goths in Leeds have recently been subject to violent attacks and even murder in some cases, all very depressing. It really is civil war among teenagers these days.

Bernard Welt said...

Thank you, Alan. I'm a big fan of Milton's prose, the style as well as the ideas; I wrote something about Areopagitica a billion years ago (very much under Christopher Hill's infuence), but what I remember is: he was a Radical dude. And he knew his theology and history of theology, in all likelihood as well as anyone in England if not Europe, and I think he thought of everything. An that includes the antinomian heresies of the middle ages that moderns would call "pro-sex" and that very decidedly did not see sex as justified by reproduction; saw the hierarchy of the sexes as a post-lapsarian punishment; and viewed the whole of the Law as the imposition of the sinful state after paradise. And I think Milton's basic sympathies were with those who believed that paradise could be renewed on earth. So yes, I think the issue is a really good one to emphasize, and to explain as clearly as you do; and it's just sad that there's about one American Christian in a million who gets how significant the issue is.

BTW: Myself am hell, nor am I out of it.

Chris: I liked the Godot a lot, and I thought Nathan Lane was great in it, precisely because, as David E., said, he played it like any comedy. Bill Irwin is always brilliant; as George in "Virginia Woolf," he gave one of the greatest performances I ever saw on stage. John Goodman's role was very equivocal, though. In a way the hero of the evening was John Glover--an amazing performance and a great study in how to play Beckett authentically.
We used to have this small company in DC that did Beckett over and over with this horrifying reverent sense that it would be blasphemy to laugh during the production.
Beckett's just endless. Can't wait to read the letters.

Dan said...

Dennis,
Yeah, my mom is pretty cool (Scott Heim remembers her from a book signing 10 years ago, apparently.)

Exciting news - the feature script has made the first cut for the Sundance Lab! Pretty amazed about it. I'll give you a report after Friday's screening.

Big thanks as always,
Dan

SYpHA_69 said...

I can't believe that I've never read "Paradise Lost"... one of these days. I'm sure I have a copy of it somewhere in my collection. Can humans have sex with angels? Well, the Abbe Boullan certainly thought so.

Thanks for the kind words, Dennis. Right now I'm just focusing on trying to Grimoire a publisher and not putting all that much attention to writing new stuff. We'll see what happens. Actually, my health seems to be on the down and out again. For a couple of weeks after my stomach bug around my birthday I was feeling much better, but these last two days now I've been suffering from some extreme bloating/abdominal pains/intestinal pains, which makes me worry that maybe the stomach bug is making a return appearance. It doesn't help that I haven't been sleeping as much either... my parents have spent all this week redoing the upstairs bathroom of our house and all that construction is taking a toll on my nerves (hopefully it'll be finished this weekend). In any event I'll be seeing my GI specialist at last this coming Monday. Man, will I be talking his ear off!

I wouldn't worry about people being slow with their SPD entries, as you know you always get so many at the last minute that you end up having to split the day into two parts! Well, I'll try to e-mail mine to you today.

JW Veldhoen said...

The difference between angels and men is an impossible difference that a person of great imagination, like Milton, would understand intuitively, not to mention in keeping certain idealistic theological positions; an angel would have to be the undifferentiated other, imminent spirit, not man or spirit. Milton expressed a lay tolerance for permeability and borderlessnes, that I'd call "common sense", that "gay sex" or "straight sex" negates the real possibility of "angel sex".

These towers of yours Dennis, I can't take them down, they are like the beams of light shot up from ground zero... Some expressed that they wanted the beams permanently, in memorium, and some were happy that the memorial had an "end" when in fact they would only technically "fall" when the light fell, reaching the other point of the ray, indiscernible as part of the earthshine.

Lou Reeds's "Transformer" on and loud into the street, and the sun has broken through a little bit.

DavidEhrenstein said...

"Heart of Darkness" is basically a penny-dreadful. A very slick one but a penny-dreaful nontheless. It's blathered about endlessly beauce of white racism. I prefer Conrad's other work, especially "The Return."

Alec Niedenthal said...

hey dennis,

thank you for your kind words about my writing and blog and my not being off-putting.

re: blanchot, his hugely generous book "the space of literature" has had a huge impact on how i read (in both the sense of books and in a larger sense), and it's definitely a 'desert island book' for me. it seems like he had, to some extent, figured out what it would take other theorists like twenty more years or something to articulate, and the pieces in space of literature are sort of holy for me and actually i think point toward something "beyond theory."

i wrote a paper last semester on emmanuel levinas and david foster wallace, and reading the former, who i guess had a profound friendship with blanchot, revealed a whole new, ethical dimension to blanchot's work that before i hadn't really considered deeply. so now i read the two as if their texts were engaged in an ongoing conversation.

as far as my own work goes, i'm not sure where blanchot is echoed, but i can no longer read and write the way i did pre-blanchot.

i am finishing stewart home's memphis underground right now. what did you think of that book?

re: NOON and writing, i haven't gotten a response from NOON but i'm pretty confident all three pieces i sent in will be very briskly rejected, since i read over them a few days ago and was nauseated and edited them all down sharply. i am very flattered that you liked the stuff on my blog. thank you! the pieces there are characteristic, although my "ebook" was written in about twenty minutes--as a challenge to myself, i guess--so i'd like to think the the "real stuff" is less annoying and more concentrated, though most likely just as bad. if you ever want to/have time to read a couple short-shorts or something let me know, i would very much appreciate any input you might offer.

looking forward to your new novel! hope it's going well! out of curiosity, and you've probably answered this question plenty of times before, what kind of stuff do you listen to while you write? i can never decide whether i want instrumental music or like slow, sad stuff.

have a great weekend!

Bernard Welt said...

Stan_CZ: I'll just mention, because I frequently teach Conrad, that I don't think it works to assess any writer according to an entirely abstract standard--I mean as to whether passages or the whole style are "florid" or "dull" compared to some ideal--and that for some reason, readers sometimes do not consider much that Conrad is a modernist. As you may have seen in Conrad's essays, his choices are extremely deliberate, and whether one likes it or not in the end, the method is sort of laid out in Marlowe's remarks on the deck about how poorly he is going to tell the story, and the narrator's expression of irritation at his "inconclusive" method. Conrad is in the interesting borderline area of a few writers--and I think, personally, that Mann is rejected by some people for the same reason--who are as "experimental" as Stein or Celine or Joyce, but still produce something whose prose may be read as a conventional novel or adventure tale. (The first complaints he got about the story were that people didn't get it till they'd read it more than once, and he expressed surprised that anyone bothered to read, or write, anything that took only one reading.) I don't agree with David E. that it's racism that made "Heart of Darkness" famous, but I do think he was under the spell of the English anthropology of the nineteenth century that led to twentieth-century universalists like Joseph Campbell--but for me, that's just the starting-point of the actual exercise, as you might say that Celine's or Genet's utterly repellent racialist ideas are.
I think there's kind of an interesting parallel in Ford Maddox Ford's "The Good Soldier," which I have heard a few people call an extremely confused telling of a conventional story, but which seems to others, including me, like the master modern case of using narratorial voice to astound and devastate the reader. And this very often involves, as in Flaubert, demystifying the notion that there are great and ennobling ideas to be revealed in literature, and exposing the banality of thoughts and writing. Or Gide's Counterfeiters, for another example.
My favorite Conrad BTW is The Secret Agent, which is also a soap opera and a comic book, sort of.

Colin said...

Alan, a really fascinating day. I think your response to Jim R was dead-on. The celebration, the imagining of beautiful non-gender specific, non-reproductive angelic sexuality is exactly what is radical about it.

Mark, I love your 'Spoiler Alert' images. I imagine seeing them in a gallery-space would be great. I love how tempting it is to try to 'read the lines'. I love how they almost promise you something if only you knew the code.

That Waiting for Godot sounds good. It's playing in London just now, too, with Patrick Stewart, Ian Mckellan, Simon Callow and Ronald (voice of Aslan in BBC Narnia) Pickup. They definitely play it for laughs, (Simon Callow is pretty much a laughing-stock in it), and there are also some sweet moments between PS and IM.

Frank Jaffe said...

Oh good! Yeah the clip is a different one from ETV than the one you're referring to. Are they actually advertising that movie on the TV?? God imagine if that kind of movie could get advertised on american tv :)
So far as I've heard it got pushed to September, I'm just hoping that an american distributor picks it up, which hasn't happened yet. Strand picked up I Stand Alone and Lionsgate picked up IRREVERSIBLE, but something tells me that they won't pick up ETV :p
When you go see American films in french cinemas, are they dubbed already or are they just subtitled, i've always been curious about that
Yesterday I read The Hostage Drama to my sister, who didn't like it, I guess thats unsurprising. I usually make the mistake of sharing things with my family that I should really just keep quiet about. Usually I show them movies that have them yelling at me and thinking I'm a complete psychopath or something (Baxter, IRREVERSIBLE).
I really would love to see that story, The Hostage Drama translate in some way to film, i don't know how, but I think it could be really neat.
I'm very anxious for dan this week, he's at OUTFEST this week as you no doubt know and I'm just so anxious to see what the crowd reaction is. I'm crossing my fingers :)
Hope your weekend is going great!
xxfrank

Bill said...

Hey Dennis, sorry about disappearing for a bit... Ohio kind of changed my usual routine. Back in San Francisco, and looking forward to Derek McCormack's reading next week.

What a great week's worth of articles! I love La Fura dels Baus. Not familiar with Miguel Angel Martin, but clearly I should be spending time with his work. Scratch n sniff always umm scratches my itch. I like absurd scents. Reminds me of James Tate's story Despair Ice Cream, which I expected to be about absurd conceptual ice cream flavors, but it's not. So I started concocting a list of flavors: ignominy, futility, loneliness (stolen from Kelly Link)...

Little SPD entry on its way...

Bill

Armando said...

Hey. Oh, OK. I have the feeling it is going to be a kick ass novel. Can't wait. LOL.

Yeah, the headache went away, at like 5 in the morning, but it went away. They fuckin suck.

I sure meant Bruno Dumont. I haven't seen any of his films, but I'm very curious, I want to. I especially want to see 'Twentynine Palms'. How about that one? And, in what regard is he influenced by Bresson?

You-X,

Thank you. No, unfortunately, I hate video games. I'm just not the video games kinda guy. But the headache went away, at 5 in the morning, like I said to Dennis, lol. Thank you very much for the suggestion, man.

kier said...

hey dennis, have you been watching dvaid lynch's interview project?

Flit said...

Fly me out a window
to somewhere far away



I kinda wanna jump
Sorry kids

laurabeth said...

Oh DC, I've been waiting for an SPD for a while... but this is a hard one! I'll give it a go, though :)
LB

Memoirs of a Heroinhead said...

Empty Frame, Very interesting Nilsen related anecdotes. Someone just told me the other day that there's currently a court case going on to decide whether Nilsen can publish his autobiography or not. I sure hope so. That Brian Masters book on him is the best 'true crime' book ever, in my opinion, and I've read far more such books than was probably healthy for me.

Hiya Dennis,

My father was Nilsen's 14th victim. If you'd like, you can read about that on my blog: MemoiresofaHeroinhead.blogspot.com

If that doesn't interest you, please excuse me and ths message.

Best Wishes, Shane.

JW Veldhoen said...

Flit?

Spent a long time at the Met and made myself REALLY sick. I wanted to check some stuff at the Bacon show, compare it to some reading. Wow, hope it was worth the decimation I feel now.

Dennis, yes, there will be no submission of lust, no.

Empty Frame said...

Up at dawn, which here is rainy and possibly overrated and will be swapped for sleep incredibly soon. But reading these comments I think it's fairly obvious this is possibly the best blog in the whole freakin' world, no?
We've got angels, murder, Conrad, Milton, Beckett and the twin towers in a single day. Which is gonna spark some interesting dreams, for sure.
Can we have sex with angels?
No. But we can TRY.
Stan cz - i must have read heart of darkness five times now and everytime my opinion changes. Sometimes I think it's like a racist cartoon, other-times like it's a parable that is so fucking brilliant and wise it could've been written tomorrow. And I guess if that;s the case then I'm hugely grateful for whatever random sperm/egg combo propelled Joseph Conrad into the world. "Lucky Jim"? If you've ever felt guilt of even the vaguest kind, you have to check it out, if you haven't already. And I too am glad the ghosts visit occasionally. That's such a great way of putting it.
Hi Black Acrylic, and yes, I think David Peace's work is great. The UK just seems full of novels about middle-class people "committing" " adultery" in Hampstead and so I thank whatever God-shaped hole there is in the sky that there are still writers like him getting published.
Light spilling through the window. Bed calls.

math t said...

hey Dennis! hm to elaborate re the California accent.. basing this on living in California for 22 years and New York almost 4, i feel like i perceive this difference that Californians talk about things like they're accessible.. avocados.. weed.. pretty girls and boys.. general happiness.. whereas New Yorkers talk about stuff like it is always out of reach, or maybe like some ideal version of what they want is out of reach, and this bums them out yet simultaneously makes them work that much harder. New York's put-on is that it suffers, California's is that it doesn't. heh, i don't know if any of that makes sense.

when i was looking at yesterday's post originally, the concept of cuteness didn't actually enter my mind. but what you said to Paul Curran really illuminates what you were figuring out, i think so anyway. it's really cool to reread the day with your thoughts in mind. thanks for that.

i love your nonfiction work too! crossing my fingers for a long anthology. yea, i hope lots of art writings make it in.

Alan today is sooo awesome. i just love it to pieces. i mean yea, i never bothered to think about it, but they do all have guy's names and ultimately exist only in name. like, for instance- imagine it's a work not about angels, but about men and women, yet all the women [as well as the men] have masculine names. that would be naturally read as gay. this is even gayer.

i also really liked your reference to sex with an 'equal'. i also have these weird feelings of equality that i associate with gay sex and same-sex cruising i don't know what to do with those feelings.

you-x while working, i either buy more expensive versions of what i would buy as groceries.. cheese sandwiches with sides of vegetables and tofu or tempeh.. or i just say fuck it and indulge and get really good pizza from little italy or something. i work in the soho/chinatown/little italy part of manhattan and only chinatown has reasonably priced options. for a long time i ate $6 vegetable lo mein every day but i OD'd on it bad. today i had 3 egg+cheese sandwiches and a fruit salad. and 3 double espressos over ice with cinnamon and half+half, but i would have had those regardless of whether i'd fucked up my groceries or not, i just slept way too little and i'm about to pull the same shit tonight. how about you? what do you generally eat?

stan_cz i like Heart of Darkness, but not nearly as much as most people like it.

xx, math+

wv- hetiped

JW Veldhoen said...

I do mean imminent, not eminent. Alan, your discussion on the Milton web-board has some parallel to my reaction, but I don't think gender is the same as sex.

MathT suffering and non-suffering, and the, oh what is it, wearing of it, living it, or what have you... What you wrote was really great. Pretty sure it isn't so standard ie. west coast vs. east coast or whatever, but that we suffer, and say so, or how we pretend not to... Hell yeah.

Chant: Neo, neo.

Killer Luka said...

hi alan,
you lost me early on at your repeated use of the words "bourgeois" and "class warfare", applying 20th century communist ideas to 17th century life.
Doesn't fly.
Because you use such loaded words repeatedly, I know automatically that I am reading history by a writer from a blatantly biased perspective.
Granted, all history writing is, by proxy, biased because no one can imagine "what it was like" in that century but being open minded about it, literally how Milton woke up and shat into a pit every morning as a rich mother fucker and how it was cleaned out by his servants, etc, then you are on to somethin.

The angel sex thing, who gives a shit, I mean really. What a bunch of bullshit, can angels have sex.
Angels in bodily form were invented by artists in medieval times to appease those who suffered. If it was sex or illness, they were there. Such ideas no longer apply, especially in Milton's time. They were a metaphor then, now lost to history.
Milton was a pure english Prod, I don't see the "bourgeois" or any other communist slant on the matter because applying 19th century ideas to 17th century history makes no sense, especially when it comes to angel lovers.

thanks alan, great fucking post.
love you,
satan

Killer Luka said...

JW: fuckin unicorn killer, fyi

JW Veldhoen said...

Sow.

Killer Luka said...

p.s.
Alan,
Satan is rather miffed by this blatant display of (particular) attention to this English protestant writer.
Can't spell "protestant" without "test", motherfucker.

Killer Luka said...

sow mounter goat mother, whale fucker

JW Veldhoen said...

Fuck Protestants! Yeah!

And anxiety about anachronism and theories and methodologies. See how it looks if you lay it out on its side. Like how a film is an elongated rectangle if you flip it on edge, the record of time has shapes, it reveals topographies and distances that are not just periodic, or geographic, or any one thing. Whatever the one thing is, turn it upside down. That is what Marxism tends to do in theory, it turns the table so the legs are up in the air. The language used here is definitive of nothing but value, which is always "up in the air".

History is a record of many things including space and time and smell and shit, but always using the words for those things, words that can no longer be that space, or that time, or that smell, or that particular shit. There's a unicorn tusk here in Manhattan, btw. I can take you to where it is if you want. Maybe we can steal it and take turns using it as a pig sticker, if you want. Angels sex is a consolation, was my point, a way of thinking of the body without organs, an aspirational mindset, to be sure, but like Francis Bacon (not the philosopher) "I am optimistic about nothing."

Killer Luka said...

oh JW ..
so comfortably convoluted, as usual.
but your version of metaphorical marxism is actually kind of sexy, in the reptile-ancient bird vomiting-for-chicks-for-food kind of way.
I appreciate your "thang" equating marxism as "a table" to be turned around.
Underneath your game table, angels are breeding and whispering about, playing poker with your DNA, shuffling and mumbling and giggling. It sounds like ...a dick getting erect against the fabric of tight pants. It's language of angels.

Killer Luka said...

get a grip.
all from love.
peace

stan_cz said...

Bernard, I was hoping you'd chime in. I wasn't measuring Conrad by any pre-determined standards, I never do that. I just felt that his telling of the story in "Heart of Darkness", specifically in the first half, was rather unnecessarily muddled. That may have been intentional or not and I certainly appreciate and see Conrad as an experimental modernist, but I felt that his prose just lacked a certain clarity of line. Again, what I'm saying is purely subjective. I am not in any way doubting Conrad's status as a major writer, it's just that he didn't hit me with the intensity that others refer to.

As for what Empty Frame said, I actually found the parable quite obvious. What Conrad was saying about the darkness of the human soul seemed rather blatant throughout the text. But I did greatly admire the book about half-way in, when Marlowe has getting closer to Kurtz and then the actual hallucinatory meeting and its aftermaths. It was just prior to that I found myself disappointed. But that's just me. But I will certainly read some other works of Conrad in the future to get a better perspective. Empty, did you mean "Lord Jim"?

Bacteriaburger said...

Cool day, Alan. I don't know anything about Milton but this was interesting and well written.

Dennis, I sent you my Nifty day to the old "contact" email address, then when I sent my SPD contrib I noticed you were using a new email...hopefully you still got it?

Empty Frame said...

Yeah, " Lord Jim", that's the one. " Lucky Jim" was some stupid campus comedy from the 50s or something. Drunk.

DavidEhrenstein said...

Just finished watching MOPI on Logo. Oh I love it so!

DavidEhrenstein said...

Great time at "Book Soup" last night. James Gavin was there to speak about and sign copies of "Stormy Weather" -- his newmazingly brilliant biography of Lena Horne.

Sam Irvin was there too. His biography of Kay Thompson will be out next year. Sam says some new DCs of Kay's work are comign and and that Liza's Kay show is good, even though she can't really sing much anymore. She's a star and therefore puts it over with style.

alan said...

I didn't expect all this interest in a 400-year-old poet (who's not even French) but as someone mentioned above this is an amazing place. Thanks to Mark P, Ken Baumann, Mark, roger p, David E, Empty Frame, kier, Bacteriaburger, and everyone else who took the time to check out my longish post.

Bernard, I was looking for your comment particularly. It was your day on "Hamlet" that gave me the idea to eventually try one on Milton. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. And thanks for mentioning two of my favorite books above, "The Counterfeiters" and "The Good Soldier." The latter is now in Dennis's possession thanks to me.

SYpHA, Angels can take human form and do whatever human beings do. Milton refers to Ramiel, one of the fallen angels who according to the apocryphal Book of Enoch had intercourse with Cain's descendants, the "daughters of men." On the positive side, human beings were created to fill the vacancy left by the fallen angels. Had they not fallen too they would probably have mingled with angels, eaten angelic food, and, as Raphael explains, "from these corporal nutriments perhaps / Your bodies may at last turn all to spirit, / Improved by tract of time, and winged ascend / Ethereal, as we, or may at choice / Here or in heavenly paradises dwell" (Book V). So earth was supposed to be an outpost of Heaven, and human beings angels in training. There's a science fiction aspect to the way it's worked out that may appeal to you.

Colin, Thanks, that meant a lot to me.

math t, Oh, that's interesting. I hadn't thought about how the regrettably persistent social fact of sex-based hierarchy still influences our relationships in that way, but now I will. Thanks for that. Milton wasn't writing about same-sex hook-ups when he wrote this, but I guess it applies: "Among unequals what society / Can sort, what harmony or true delight?"

Killer Luka, Glad you liked the post. I made it for you, as I mentioned. There was gravity before Newton and class struggle before Marx. By the way, it's by no means only Marxist historians who see the English Civil War in terms of class conflict.

Dennis, Thanks as always for hosting my day. On your non-ficition collection, if anything does get cut I'll just have to hunt down the outtakes at NYU. By the way, whenever you get a chance to download (export) the text file of your blog and email it to me, I'll be glad to put it on a disk and take it over to Fales. I'm spending half a day there every week or so as work permits.

alan said...

Oh, I meant to thank JW for his thoughts on my post.

Oscar B. said...

Alan, thanks for this day, I've read bits of Milton but don't know much about him. I should read more.

Dennis, I'm about to compose my SPD entry, its' been harder than expected to decide what to do and I'm still not entirely sure. But I might have to go for a stroll first, I've been sitting in front of the computer all day and I'm going nuts.
Did you have a good weekend?
Mine was quiet. I had a very inspiring walk under the rain yesterday. I've been in a melancholic and rather emotional mood since yesterday morning.
I don't mind that..my SPD entry is likely to be equally melancholic, I think.

alan said...

Thanks, Oscar.

And thanks Justin for putting a link up on HTML Giant. That's so cool.

Dynomoose said...

Sorry not to have been on in a while. Joe had to go back into the hospital to have surgery to clear up an infection. We are now waiting for that to heal up enough to get an accurate reading on a new PET scan to see if there are any new tumors. Then we decide what treatments to try and where (they don't give interleuken-2 in Louisiana and our hospital is affiliated with one in Bethesda instead of MD Anderson in Houston).

Anyway, this is not why I'm writing here.
Statictick (Nick Rhoades) has been in the hospital for a week now with some pancreas thing (the doctors do not know what) and doesn't know how much longer he will be there. He has nobody visiting him, taking him books, calling or anything. He is all alone. He's worried about his cat, who is locked in his apartment. His landlord said he'd feed her, but he doesn't know what is going on. Obviously, I am over 1000 miles away and cannot get to Detroit to help now.
Nick needs phone calls, visits, books and any other kind of help anyone can give him. If you're in the area, or just have a good long distance plan, he's at Henry Ford Hospital (2799 W. Grand Blvd.
Detroit, MI 48202) room H432. 313-916-2600 is the operator number, then ask to be transferred to H432. We don't have a direct number.
Call him. Visit him. Send him flowers, books magazines...whatever. when I say books, they have him doped up, so think trashy, easy to read, don't have to think about them books.

winter rates said...

hey Alan,

just wanted to chime in to the chorus of those who haven't looked at Milton in ages and now would like to revisit.

I think his description of angel sex sounds like a Cronenburg movie.

-WR

JoeM said...

It was great to be reminded of Milton. At uni I did the 'Is Satan the hero or villain of Paradise Lost?' question. I think I said he was the hero but only because God was so boring - but that God was boring because Milton made him that way.

My God Alan I feel like such a nebbish - you go on sites and argue Milton with professors. I go on sites and argue with teenagers about whether Michael Jackson fucked Jordy or not!

Nobody has mentioned Memoirs of a Heroinhead so maybe nobody's clicked that blog. I did...hours ago. I started from the first entry and went all the way up to date. Truly fascinating, raw, cool, non self-pitying tale of Heroin abuse, sexual abuse (by the alcoholic mother), mad romantic love, childhood, all sorts of stuff. And so poetic in places: 'For me Heroin was the missing inch on a lopsided table'.

Best thing I've ever read about drugs. Dennis, given your hatred of H I think you should read some of it. He is an H user who doesn't want to give up. Is happy with the balance of it killing him (physically) but giving him so much too. This may be because he doesn't take it every day (alternates with Methadone). He is no proselytizer, distinguishes between junkies - desperate thieves etc - and his functioning abuse. He says that on H he can be creative in thought but 'It stops all output...nothing gets done'. But I think he contradicts himself later and says it doesn't affect his writing or painting - 'It doesn't work like that'.

Anyway, somebody else should read it - or some of it, there's loads -and say what they think.

JW Veldhoen said...

Luka,

You get a grip sister, I decided long ago, I'm just fine, until I'm not. This (all of this) reminds me of an essay I started to read entitled "Too Drunk to Fuck". It was about what the subconscious mind brings up and the ego represses, about your mother, in particular, and how the distance between intellect and emotions is convoluted into neurosis. It was interesting to me, because it helped me understand that I am not neurotic, I'm psychotic. I have no thoughts or feelings, because there is no I where I am concerned. Or, to put it another way, I don't give a fuck about anything except my metaphors, my thoughts, my feelings, whatever. That's why I am here, and because Dennis hasn't made me leave, yet.

In (perhaps) another essay, in the same volume, I glanced at a question that asked something along the lines of "why is *this* artist interested in *this* subject?" as a kind of testing question used to understand the feelings of ownership that people have over material that seems to end in a reification of the subject, and the idea of that makes me sick. So what can I say that isn't an allusion to nausea besides?

Pisycaca said...

Thanks for this post, Alan. It's about time I start reading "Paradise Lost".

Dennis,

Those pastries are making my mouth water. And we'll be honoured to meet Kiddiepunk, of course! It's gonna be an awesome weekend!

It's a shame you couldn't go to the Avignon Fest. I was hoping for your opinion on the Honoré's piece.
Transformers... I couldn't hate them more. I had to subtitle the cartoon series for a while and the only funny thing I could find was the transformations sounds.

Almost in extremis, but we sent you our SPD entry.

Love,

M.

Pascal said...

Alan, loved this post. Thanks. Total Mutual Interpenetration... Wow.

tomkendall said...

thinking on the way home from work that the two most misunderstood words in English are anarchy and love and how the two are kind of synonymous to me. How that feeds into faith and how i believe faith should not in any way coerce ...that it should promote non-action because to act as if one IS right is a transgression (not the wicked/cool kind) of faith's conditions. Everything's founded on faith... which is the possibility of doubt and its transcendence
I don't know how this ties into anarchy as a political expression. I don't think i understand much and maybe my conflation of faith and love and freedom has a lot to do with being brought up a jehovah's witness. That's the crux of any question though right? What is symptomatic and what is cause?
maybe i sound like a dick. I don't know. I realised yesterday how much i love the people i live with and how sad im gonna be when it ends.
Im just gonna send my object of desire spd. It's a slight cop out. I want to disappear inside my love.


xtomk

ps work has sucked.

word verification: Sondism

whic reads to me like some meeting point between sade and sontag. Neither of which i know enough about to make any such claim haha.

love

xxx

laurabeth said...

well, i just came to read the comments, but after reading You-x's story about the blog last week (it was you, you-x, right? sorry if i am mixing things up), i've been glancing over at the word verification in case it is something silly or charming.

wv: sickhary

a sick man named harry or is he sick and hairy?

steevee said...

I'd like to contribute to SPD, but I can't figure out how to save photos I find on the Web to my hard drive using Safari. With Internet Explorer, I would just click on them, and they would be saved automatically. When I click on the photos now, nothing seems to happen. Can anyone help me?

JW Veldhoen said...

Conrad = Jared Diamond.

Thinking about the angel episode of the Simpsons, and faith. TomK is nice. Bacon said that as we get older, life becomes a desert. Love can be a well, you can even drown in it. The anarchy of life is all around me, it only operates on faith, sure. Flit don't jump, or if you do I'll go with you, we'll go hand in hand, but I have a sore thumb, don't squeeze too tight. When we hit the ground, I am told we will be able to fly.

JW Veldhoen said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/19/arts/design/19michelangelo.html

winter rates said...

steevee, if yr on a pc, right click on it and choose download or save to sic, or if on mac try ctr+ click...

Misanthrope said...

Alan, If I remember correctly, we talked about Milton a little bit when I was in NYC, didn't we? You mentioned putting together a day on him, I believe. Anyway, great day. Have always loved Milton. Made it a point to take a course on him in college cuz he's one of the big 4 in English Lit, along with Will S., Geoff, and Eddie Spenser. Missed out on Spenser, though, cuz there wasn't a course on him at the time.

I always found Milton and his ideas to be rather revolutionary. I mean, a sympathetic Satan? Angels having sex? And in Paradise Regained, Jesus' not giving in to temptation saving us rather than his crucifixion doing the job? But let's see, do the angels have gay sex? I don't know, seems to me they're beyond those labels at that point and just have sex.

Moose, Thanks for the update. I just spoke to Nick about an hour or so ago. He's getting out of ICU soon. Frankly, he sounded great, better than I've heard him in a year. But he's obviously not out of the woods. More tests to be done, maybe a possible surgery. I told him the pancreas isn't something to be fucked with and he agreed. Fingers crossed.

Dennis, Ha, I'll contribute to that fund! Is Jesse escorting already? I actually heard on a porn site that he had retired. Had a falling-out with the head of Helix/8teenboy or whatever and is never doing porn again. Which is sad. Unless he's escorting...hehe.

Refreshing, huh? Man, sooooo much can be read into that word and its context. Which is why I'm not going to read anything into it...for my own selfish, wanting-more-stuff-from-you sake.

But yeah, most of the bad reviews I've ever read of your stuff have been of the very lazy variety, i.e., the content's too extreme, he's mining the same subject matter as a previous book, or just somebody who seems to dislike you personally, whether they've met you or not. Which sucks. But then again, if that's all they've got...hmm, maybe you're writing pretty fucking good books.

mark said...

Thanks, DFG, rp, Colin and others for yr comments. (B[T]W, The Shining is already in the works.) I am unfamiliar with Peter Saville´s "waste paintings,” but I’ll go look him up “right now,” as DC might say.

Don’t know about Milton, but I always felt that the whole "angels dancing on the head of a pin" thing was a bit gay. And if angels can have sex, that means they also pee and poo and sweat and cry and all the things that orifices are wont to do, yes? In a word, they HUNGER.

steevee said...

Winter rates--I'm using a Mac. Anyway, control+click did the trick. I've sent the first SPD photo to Dennis and downloaded the others. Dennis, can you confirm that you got the first one OK? If do, I'll send the others in the next few days.

Jesse Hudson said...

I love the post today because it hasn't been all that long since I actually read Paradise Lost. Very intriguing proposition Alan....Very intriguing. I will have to look up those passages and give it some thought. I don't know if this is related but Philip Pullman based his "His Dark Materials" series on elements of Paradise Lost and, if I recall, there are two homosexual angels in one of the books. Yet another reason for Christians to protest those books, I guess.

I also loved Thursday's post for the obvious reasons: it's always very fascinating to get a look inside of one of your books in progress, Dennis. And because the material is right up my alley as I'm sure anyone acquainted with me would know. In fact, I don't know any way of really saying how interesting the post was to me. Because my fascination with the photos by themselves and in relation to the novel in progress is deeply rooted in the things that normally fascinate me. In other words, I loved it and, as selfish as it may be, I might be stealing some of the images and using them as inspiration for my own work. So a big, whopping double thanks for Thursday's post!! Your novel is evolving in my mind and is driving me crazy because I want to just go over to Amazon and preorder it so that I can put all those images together in my head and see how you made it all work. But I'll just have to wait....

Oh, inthemostpeculiarway: I was intrigued by your comment on Thursday where you mentioned all the different examples of fictional snuff films. I read Survivor recently and was impressed by it. In fact, it kind of started a current craze I have for reading splatterpunk/hardcore horror novels. I've always liked Edward Lee and am now reading "Portrait of the Psychopath as A Young Woman". I see that it is on your favorites list. And I was wondering what you thought of Charlee Jacob?? I have "This Symbiotic Fascination" and "Haunter" on my shelf but have never read them. I just found your favorites list to be fascinating because I haven't heard many other people mention those authors and I really enjoy some of them like some of Laymon's gorier novels, for example. Oh, and I also liked "Aftermath/Genesis" which you also mentioned the other day.
Well, anyway...

Memoirs of A Heroinhead:
Welcome! I found your blog to be immensely enjoyable and interesting. The story about your dad and Nilsen is....well, so many things. Like Dennis and others here, I have an interest in Nilsen (among others) and gasped when I realized that you had been personally affected by his crimes. What a horrific way for anyone to die. But, then again, I can't deny my overall fascination with Nilsen. It's just that I never seem to think about the victims. It's always just Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer or Ian Brady and no one else. But, thanks to you, that has certainly changed!
And, once again, welcome!


I hope everybody is doing great!!

NB said...

Dennis, Laptop replaced. Tried to write today, wouldn't come. Passing out. Portland Friday - Tuesday. Woo! Be good.

inthemostpeculiarway said...

Fascinating post .. yesterday. Okay, yeah. It would still be yesterday. I've never actually read Paradise Lost, but there are a lot of books I haven't read so...

Jesse Hudson, that's cool that you liked Survivor so much. I really liked it too, until the last 1/3rd, when the vigilante justice thing kicked in. But I liked the ending and still think it's worth a read. Still kind of surprised the baby scene made it into the mass market, honestly.

I love Jacobs stuff, but it's more... hm, I dont' think realistic is the word I'm looking for. Darker? than Lee's. Lee usually has some nasty shit in his books, but it's something you can laugh at, like the colostomy hole scene in The Bighead. Plus, her books are usually very, very bleak. I think the most upbeat one I read was either a Dead Cat story or the one about the hag in Geek Poems. My favorite of hers is Dread in the Beast, a fantastic novel about the goddess of shit. Just a spectacular piece of work. Yeah, Laymon had some gorier ones, and even if they weren't most seem to have a rape scene or three. Splatterpunk is more in reference to the gorier novels of the 80's/early '90's (Skipp and Spector, David Schow, S. P. Somtow, etc) and hardcore horror is the more recent wave. Hardcore horror is more brutal, in my opinion. They both have great books, though, but if you're more used to the hardcore books of today you might be a tad dissapointed in the gore/brutality quotient in the earlier books.

And that's cool to read you liked Aftermath. I seem to love almost any movie with necrophilia, for some reason. Probably because it bothers so many people.

Ha, Dennis, there was so much stuff about snuff films I didn't inform you and the blog of. There is a movie that people though for a while WAS a genuine snuff film, The last House on Dead End Street. Which is, oddly enough, about a guy who decides to make a snuff film. It's pretty good for what it is, but it's hard to find.

Transformers 2? I am so sorry. I don't think I could do that, as I haven't liked a Michael Bay or Shia LeBeouf movie I've ever seen. And I don't get Megan Fox's appeal. Even though I do think she looks good in the Jennifer's Body trailer. Wasn't there a Robot Heaven scene in Transformers?

Okay, I'll wait to see the post on the book. i'm looking forward to it.

I imagine it's for better that you're a Prose Nazi. Because if you weren't, then your prose might be all over the place. And yeah, King's kind of is, but I can deal with almost any types of writing. Except those of Charlaine Harris.

My weekend was comprised of me eating, and then vomiting basically everything I ate up. Almost minutes afterwards, and not by my own hand. I'm pretty weak right now, and tired, but I've been having bad dreams that allow me to sleep for three or four hours a night and I'm not exactly looking forward to getting back to those.

My friend just informed me that she wants a change in her life. I dont' know why I'm telling you this, but it occurred so I guess it's noteworthy.

I saw Pineapple Express. It was by far my favorite Judd Apatow production, and I kind of regret wasting the time on it and would never watch it again. Then I watched True Blood, which was great, of course.

Okay, sorry I couldn't give a descriptive description today. I'm going to go read and probably fall asleep, eventually.

Was your weekend any good?

Blendin said...

Gagne used to scare me the death. For obvious reasons. He was god, and if LA was leading after 8, it was over. It was depressing to be on the wrong side of that.

I did see Gagne face Bonds once in person. The energy was crazy. LA was leading by a couple and Bonds came up with one out and nobody on. People were so excited and hanging on every pitch. Eventually, Bonds hit a monster home run, and of course people lost their shit. LA still won though, as Gagne just went to get everybody else out. It felt very unique to see two people facing off at the height of their powers. Almost like it was a tennis match - nobody else seemed to be even playing.

SYpHA_69 said...

I think one of my problems with Stephen King is that he's just written too many damn books, and when you have that many books they all just start to blur after awhile and lose their individuality. I'm not a big fan of prolific authors in general, though I guess that Burroughs could be considered one... it kind of annoys me that every Stephen King book now needs to begin with an introduction where he always plays himself up as some sort of humble, self-deprecating bumpkin. Blech. I've only read two of his books ("Misery" and "Carrie", and that was many years ago) but I know a lot about his stuff because my youngest brother has read like 40 of his books or something. If I had to read 40 Stephen King books I'd probably kill myself!

Blendin said...

Heliotrope -

Sorry I missed your comment yesterday. Yes, I was in the stands. The energy from the crowd was just amazing. Starting with the 7th inning, every pitch was a heart wrenching experience. People were gasping, and hanging on for dear life. My heart was pounding. Long after it was over, nobody wanted to leave. We all just stood there, not knowing what to do.

Shaiolgical Processes said...

austin is hot
i started laughing during sex this week
i appreciate the absurd
that's all
its hot all over
except in me

alan
alan
alan
this is the best fucking thing i have read in a long time
you actually made me rethink Milton and PL
setting it in the frame of his revolutionary and protestant leanings and times
totally reshaped things for me
thank you my love

i think i am broken
cause
i agree with jw veldhoen
about all of it

where are mommy's pills?

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math t said...

hi Alan thanks for the quote. and also let me say how nice it was to meet you at the Boiler Room and after. be well x

JW yea, the way i phrased it figures it overly as a west vs east coast thing but in my mind it's more certain parts of the north american west coast vs everything else i've encountered. it's just that i can only really talk about Nyc and California with much confidence because they're the only places i've spent very much time. 'California'= parts of western North America, 'Nyc'= stand-in for 'everywhere else'. this too is probably illegible.

joeM i've also been reading Memoires of a Heroinhead this weekend. you're right, it's crazy great. hi heroinhead if you're reading, your shit is crazy great.

love, math+

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postitbreakup said...

Someone said they liked TRUE BLOOD and I was excited because I fucking LOVE Alan Ball (American Beauty, Towelhead, and Six Feet fucking Under, which I think is the greatest thing ever on television). But now I can't find the post anymore. So, fellow Fanger, this is a shout out.

DENNIS, I think you mentioned before being able to see how many visits you had on your blog and stuff, how do you do that?

Spunky said...

Bonjour,

I'm going to slip in at the end and say hi, because it's been ages. Things have been manic. My boyfriend moved into my student halls with me, asked me to marry him, has now moved with me into our new student house (which is immense) and it's just four months until the tickling kicks inside me turn into something a little more real.

But don't worry. Life's calmer now. Just got to make sure my car gets us to my parents tomorrow and try to earn some measly pennies writing website fluff for search engines.

A job's a job, huh? The baby's kicking, which means it says hey. Or that it needs food. Probably both because I haven't eaten yet.

How are you and Paris and your writing and everything? I've missed you, D.

All my love.

Empty Frame said...

Hey Steevee - if you're using a Mac it's pretty easy I think, just pick up the image and dump it in your Photo Library. From there, email it to Dennis. I'm pretty sure it's that easy.

Oscar B. said...

hey Dennis, got my SPD?

Saint-Amant said...

Dear Dennis

I would love to participate in the « Self-Portrait Day ».
In the form of the portrayal of a boy from the Alexandrian beach I love – In front of which I live now. Two pictures & the related text, some sort of a poem (in free verses). My first real attempt to write PôHétry in English.
Hum…
Certainly risky, but… A very exhilarating prospect indeed.
We’ll see.
These things & some more are also to be found on my new blog.
Semper tibi, & tons of friendship as usual,
Dear Dennis
Eric

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